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I live in LA and hosted about 25-30 of my family and friends at a tailgate at the Rose Bowl 2 weeks ago, and subsequently had my heart ripped out of my chest. A few thoughts…

There are some issues on defense, but I felt that the defense played well against UCLA and Arizona State. The real issue was our own offense. Against Arizona State, Cal only held the ball for 23 minutes. That’s a 14 minute advantage for Arizona State. The offense kept turning the ball over, and putting the defense in impossible positions.

Our offensive problems, ironically, are the root of the 3-game losing streak. And it’s not a problem with Forsett or with Tedford’s playcalling. The problem is at quarterback. Against Oregon State, I’ll admit that Riley’s final decision was a problem. However, I excuse him since it was his first start. I think his issue on that final play was pure inexperience. He saw open field and thought he could make it to the end zone. And since it was his first start, he completely underestimated the speed of linebackers at the D-1A Pac-10 level. That open field closed a lot faster than he expected by the Oregon State linebackers. What can you say? A guy who’s started for several games estimates linebacker speed more accurately. To me, it’s not Riley’s fault. Other than that, I though Riley played excellently for the rest of the game.

Against UCLA and Arizona State, I can say with certainty that our problems stem from the ineffective, near tragic play of Nate Longshore. Here is my assessment…

We need to bench Longshore. Unless the designed play gets everyone open, Longshore cannot create. A few years ago, Bill Walsh was interviewed for a Sportscentury special on his development of QB's. What he explained as the #1 element necessary for great quarterback play was the ability of the QB to evade that first tackle, which extends the play for another 2-3 seconds. That's all you need. Doesn't have to have great downfield running ability, just enough mobility to evade the first possible sack.

Some players recently in college who have had that innate ability: Matt Leinart (USC), Aaron Rodgers (Cal), Tim Tebow (Florida), Brady Quinn (Notre Dame), Carson Palmer (USC), Dennis Dixon (Oregon), Jason Campbell (Auburn), just to name a few. These guys are not all speed burners, just slightly mobile. It’s not coincidence that each of these guys has gone onto moderate to major success in the NFL.

And here are a few guys who have had that ability at the pro level: John Elway, Brett Favre, Steve Young, Vince Young, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, just to name a few. Oh, and a guy named Montana.

Some players recently in college who are high profile, but actually do not possess that ability to evade the first tackle: Nate Longshore, Ben Olson (UCLA), John David Booty (USC), Jason White (Oklahoma), Chad Henne (Michigan), just to name a few.

These guys simply start throwing interceptions when plays don’t go perfectly as designed. They cannot create and extend plays. They are system players. Plain and simple.

Two things I saw when Kevin Riley played for the Bears. First, a lot of heart. The guy brain lapsed at the end of the game, but he was pretty good for the first start of his career. Second, ability to avoid tackles and make plays. He walked out of a sure safety in the end zone and made a 15 yard completion. Did the same thing from elsewhere on the field several times in the final few minutes, completing nearly impossible passes from within the grasp, or just beyond the grasp of a defender.

Longshore (like Ben Olson) is a statue. He's Marino without the ability. Basically, he's the Stan Humphries of college football. Time to put in Riley and stop retarding our program.

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In my mind, it all goes back to Walsh.

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Ken Crawford said...

I completely agree that missing the first tackle/surge is the key, but I completely disagree about Longshore... when healthy.

Longshore has in my opinion done a darned good job before the ankle injury to evade the first pass rush. I used to remark how well he did it despite being so slow otherwise. Obviously since the injury he's been completely unable to do so.

I think that gives more fuel to the fire of bench him until he's 100%.

Danny said...

Agree Ken, when healthy Longshore helps Cal win. He might not win any foot races but he slides well in the pocket to avoid that first rush. And he rarely takes sacks by getting rid of the ball.
But I think the post by the reader was also referring to creating opportunities. I don't see Longshore do as much of this. Though this was only one play, Riley's flip pass against OSU while being dragged down by a D lineman comes to mind.

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Longshore has never been particularly accurate. Sixty percent accuracy in a dinking-and-dunking pass offense is not going to cut it. He consistently underthrows the deep and semi-deep ball, leading to a terrible TD-INT ratio.

I think this is the time to bench Longshore and start cultivating Riley. While Riley made a terrible mistake in the Oregon State game, it was his first game and lord knows he won't ever make that mistake again. But he was able to settle down in that game and lead Cal on a nice drive. That is something we do not get from Longshore--our 4th quarter scoring has been horrendous this year (0 v. USC, 7 v. WSU, 0 v. ASU, 0 v. UCLA). We need someone who can consistently march down the field when needed. Longshore just can't do that.

This season is lost, so we should be playing Riley so he can get some experience under his belt before next year, when he takes the starting job away from Longshore.

John said...

we will definitely do well now! I agree that Cal has had a problem maintaining its intensity for the full schedule and has been prone to letdown losses each year (see Arizona last year). If Tedford has a coaching flaw, that would be it. However, I do not see them losing to USC this season. They beat SC in Strawberry Canyon in 2003 with a vastly inferior team. They nearly beat them in LA in 2004 and played a better game than the score indicates in 2006. Sure, Cal got pasted by SC in Berkeley in 2005, but that was because Cal was weak at the most important position on the field — QB. If Aaron Rodgers had not gone to the NFL or Longshore hadn’t gotten injured that year, that Cal team could have gone to a BCS bowl and probably would have beat SC at home. Cal will be ready for SC this year. We finally get to put forth a seasoned team against SC in our stadium. We will win.

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First and foremost I disagree about longshore. When healthy he is a beast. that was obvious. Sure, he was slow, but did could clearly avoid a sack. Secondly he should not be benched by any means. Thats not to say Riley isn't great, but longshore is still good. I think what cal needs is a 2 QB system, where riley is the starter. Florida did it, and, sure, they did have Tebow... cal has no Tebow, but the 2 QB system works. Between Riley and longshore I don't know who the stronger candidate is. Longshore has the experience and is definitely going to be stronger this year than he was towards the end of last year, however Riley is showing a whole lot of potential which should be nurtured. In the end it makes sense, even if Longshore is slightly better, to make Riley the primary QB with or without a 2 QB system. This years team isn't anything special; losing DeSean, Forsett, Hawkins, and Mack sure wont help. This year can be a building year. By teaching Riley how to play we will have a strong, experienced QB for 2009 and a better roster.

Oh, and there is no way in hell we beat USC this year. Only way that happens is if all 50 of their amazing RBs get seriously injured and Sanchez commits a murder-suicide on their other QB. Sorry but USC is about to kick some Cal ass. Keep in mind we sucked a fat dick last year with a far better team. Riley and Best can't carry us.

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